ford 6.9L

Lex A Price · 11-09-2009, 06:30 PM

Just courious, has anybody ever fit a ford 6.9l in a PW? This brainstorm has probably been visited by someone.I was thinking if a 350 chevy fits maybe
one of these would. Thanks, Lex

Desoto61 · 11-10-2009, 11:55 AM

If it's non-turbo it might but then they're a dog and you're better off with something else. You might have problems fitting the turbo if it is turbocharged. Problem I would worry about is weight. The 4BT is heavier than the stock 6 cylinder and requires some front suspension mods to work right. What does one of those engines weigh?

BIGTRUCKNUT · 11-15-2009, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lex A Price

Just courious, has anybody ever fit a ford 6.9l in a PW? This brainstorm has probably been visited by someone.I was thinking if a 350 chevy fits maybe
one of these would. Thanks, Lex

I thought about the same using a 7.3L/E4OD that I have and posted something a year or so back. Didn't get any positive responses, most centered on the fact that I wanted to put a Ford motor in a Dodge - How dare I! In theory I don't see why it couldn't be done althought I haven't taken a tape measure the the engine compartmment of my M43 yet (too many projects, too little time).

MasterYota · 11-16-2009, 02:15 PM

Don't feel too bad about using a Ford motor, I'm using one in my M37 - just happens to be a '69 428 CJ instead of a diesel. The nice thing about a turbo is that in reality, you can place it almost anywhere - it dosen't "have to go" right at the exhaust manifold. I've seen hotrods and other performance cars with the turbo mounted well under the car, almost behind the transmission, and over the rear diff. All it means is that you may suffer a little turbo lag, but the performance will still show up.

The 6.9L, even as a dog, is still vastly superior to the Flat 6. I can't imagine that the truck would have any less performance than the Ford truck that the diesel came out of... As for weight, whats the real issue? These trucks are heavy anyway - another 300lbs or so won't make a real difference. Put another leaf in the pack or so and make the adjustments as neccessary.

I say go for it. Just make sure you've got all the parts and measurments beforhand.

Chris Olson · 11-17-2009, 02:27 AM

the 'ford' diesels were made by Navistar (IH) anyways
I have driven a few non turbo 6.9 and 7.3 trucks... that engine would have no problem hauling a PW around.

NNICKB · 11-18-2009, 09:31 AM

Always thought the 300 cu in Ford six (gas) might be a nice fit for a PW.

Charles Talbert · 11-20-2009, 06:00 PM

You can install anything you desire, bar none with enough time and $$$ invested. The best bang for the buck if you plan to drive your truck is a Cummins 4BTA, with a 5-speed over-drive trans behind it. Fits nicely without mods, and still have access room for service under the hood. Weight is a minimal issue. Fuel economy when compared to the flat 6, a V8 gasser or diesel is way better. The Cummins has power and torque to spare in a PW application. We have installed many, you simply can't beat it.

Gordon Maney · 12-05-2009, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Charles Talbert

You can install anything you desire, bar none with enough time and $$$ invested. The best bang for the buck if you plan to drive your truck is a Cummins 4BTA, with a 5-speed over-drive trans behind it. Fits nicely without mods, and still have access room for service under the hood. Weight is a minimal issue. Fuel economy when compared to the flat 6, a V8 gasser or diesel is way better. The Cummins has power and torque to spare in a PW application. We have installed many, you simply can't beat it.

I may have asked this in the past, forgive me if I have....

Charles, is there a newer version of the 4BT that is quieter in the way the 2003 and up 6BT's are quieter?

Charles Talbert · 12-05-2009, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Gordon Maney

I may have asked this in the past, forgive me if I have....

Charles, is there a newer version of the 4BT that is quieter in the way the 2003 and up 6BT's are quieter?

The newer version is not a BT or BTA. The 4 cylinder is now an all electronic engine, QSB 4.5, the 6 cylinder all electronic is the QSB 6.7. These are quieter, with less low RPM vibration also. We are currently doing a QSB in a M37.

The BT and BTA engines will not meet the new EPA regulations coming into effect Jan. 2010. They will not be offered by Cummins as a new engine after the end of this year in the USA. Recon models will still be available, but will require either a core engine turn in or pay a $2,200 core charge in addition to the base price at the time of purchase.

Desoto61 · 12-06-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Charles Talbert

The newer version is not a BT or BTA. The 4 cylinder is now an all electronic engine, QSB 4.5, the 6 cylinder all electronic is the QSB 6.7. These are quieter, with less low RPM vibration also. We are currently doing a QSB in a M37.

Look forward to hearing how that turns out. I'm hoping to be ready for an engine by the end of next year or so, and unless I find a good used 4BT or a cheap one for a core the QSB may be the only realistic route.

Gordon Maney · 12-06-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Charles Talbert

The newer version is not a BT or BTA. The 4 cylinder is now an all electronic engine, QSB 4.5, the 6 cylinder all electronic is the QSB 6.7. These are quieter, with less low RPM vibration also. We are currently doing a QSB in a M37.

The BT and BTA engines will not meet the new EPA regulations coming into effect Jan. 2010. They will not be offered by Cummins as a new engine after the end of this year in the USA. Recon models will still be available, but will require either a core engine turn in or pay a $2,200 core charge in addition to the base price at the time of purchase.

It would be interesting to learn more about the new engine and your views on it.

Gordon Maney · 12-06-2009, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles Talbert

The newer version is not a BT or BTA. The 4 cylinder is now an all electronic engine, QSB 4.5, the 6 cylinder all electronic is the QSB 6.7. These are quieter, with less low RPM vibration also. We are currently doing a QSB in a M37.

The BT and BTA engines will not meet the new EPA regulations coming into effect Jan. 2010. They will not be offered by Cummins as a new engine after the end of this year in the USA. Recon models will still be available, but will require either a core engine turn in or pay a $2,200 core charge in addition to the base price at the time of purchase.

Also, is this engine larger and heavier than the 4BT?

11-09-2009, 06:30 PM	#1
Lex A Price Registered Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1	ford 6.9L Just courious, has anybody ever fit a ford 6.9l in a PW? This brainstorm has probably been visited by someone.I was thinking if a 350 chevy fits maybe one of these would. Thanks, Lex

11-18-2009, 09:31 AM	#6
NNICKB Subscriber Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ebensburg (Icebox of PA) Posts: 174	Always thought the 300 cu in Ford six (gas) might be a nice fit for a PW. __________________ 1967 WM300 Various Mopars and Jeeps +Wife and 2 sons "I love them all."

11-20-2009, 06:00 PM	#7
Charles Talbert Subscriber Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norwood, N.C. Posts: 2,090	You can install anything you desire, bar none with enough time and $$$ invested. The best bang for the buck if you plan to drive your truck is a Cummins 4BTA, with a 5-speed over-drive trans behind it. Fits nicely without mods, and still have access room for service under the hood. Weight is a minimal issue. Fuel economy when compared to the flat 6, a V8 gasser or diesel is way better. The Cummins has power and torque to spare in a PW application. We have installed many, you simply can't beat it. __________________ www.mseriesrebuild.com Charles Talbert

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11-10-2009, 11:55 AM	#2
Desoto61 Subscriber Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Portsmouth VA Posts: 379	If it's non-turbo it might but then they're a dog and you're better off with something else. You might have problems fitting the turbo if it is turbocharged. Problem I would worry about is weight. The 4BT is heavier than the stock 6 cylinder and requires some front suspension mods to work right. What does one of those engines weigh?

11-16-2009, 02:15 PM	#4
MasterYota Registered Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Prince George, BC, Canada Posts: 247	Don't feel too bad about using a Ford motor, I'm using one in my M37 - just happens to be a '69 428 CJ instead of a diesel. The nice thing about a turbo is that in reality, you can place it almost anywhere - it dosen't "have to go" right at the exhaust manifold. I've seen hotrods and other performance cars with the turbo mounted well under the car, almost behind the transmission, and over the rear diff. All it means is that you may suffer a little turbo lag, but the performance will still show up. The 6.9L, even as a dog, is still vastly superior to the Flat 6. I can't imagine that the truck would have any less performance than the Ford truck that the diesel came out of... As for weight, whats the real issue? These trucks are heavy anyway - another 300lbs or so won't make a real difference. Put another leaf in the pack or so and make the adjustments as neccessary. I say go for it. Just make sure you've got all the parts and measurments beforhand.

11-17-2009, 02:27 AM	#5
Chris Olson Subscriber Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Vancouver B.C. Posts: 108	the 'ford' diesels were made by Navistar (IH) anyways I have driven a few non turbo 6.9 and 7.3 trucks... that engine would have no problem hauling a PW around.