Help with Machine

[Hawk]

Here's a good one.

Went to the local Sears Service Center to get some parts for my Craftsman Snow Blower They had the carb rebuild kit and suppose to have the manual for it. So I order and pay for them wait for them to show up.

What do I get? A carb rebuild kit only and a refund check. Why so? Well Sears said that even though its on the computer for order they dont even have it on MicroFish any more. Its not anywhere.

I have hit several small engine repair shops and dealerships. They all say oh bring it in we can work on it for you at $65 an hour. But no one seems to have the book for it.

Its an old Craftsman Eagle 1 Snow Blower w/ 36"-42" cut 6 speed forward and reverse.

The reason need the manual is that the shift line was put together wrong from the last service place (they wont warranty their work). They have this thing all messed up.

Seems like they also switched some parts off mine too. Some of the parts look older then the whole thing itself.

If anyone can help I will take pictures and get all the SN's and #'s from it. Got to keep these Antiques going. How often you find something this old that still runs and is a one pull start? :)

Thanks

[JimmieD]

Most snowblowers and some garden tractors use the old Tucker patent variable-speed drive. It consists of a large drive wheel, with a smaller rubber covered wheel that press against the face of the drive wheel. All the 'gear shift' mechanism does is slide the rubber friction wheel across the face of drive wheel, thereby changing speeds. The center of drive wheel turns slowest, and outside turns fastest relative to rpms, similar to a gear or belt drive relationship. That is, large pulley driving small, or small driving large.

Sometimes the rubber covered wheel is the driver, and the plain steel wheel is connected directly to rear or main axle but the effect is the same except for ratio relationships.

Does any of this sound similar to the drive mechanism on your machine?

[bosco]

I don't know much about snow blowers, but I have used the site below for help on my craftsman mower.

http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/

Don't know much about the abbysguide, but here's a link to their snowblower section.

http://www.abbysguide.com/ope/discussions/1875-0-1.html

You might also try surfing the web for forums specific to snowblowers. Who knows, posting a question on one (like you did here) may give you the right answer.

Good luck in your search.

[MoparNorm]

(Sears usually used a major manufacturer for most of their equipment) You can then go to the Manufactures' web site. Many have their manuals in PDF format for downloading or ordering on-line.
MN

[JimmieD]

If you'll post the model number I can access the Sears database and determine the manufacturer.

JimmieD

[Hawk]

MoparNorm The service center and I already checked on that. No luck.

JimmyD I will get that for you later today and post that. Maybe some one some where has this around. Maybe I'll get lucky.

Thanks you all for the wonderful help and advice PWA forum and memebers have given so far.

[Hawk]

Alright the model number of the Eagel 1 craftsman snow blower is: 536-90514

Crosses fingers to find a manual for the one above

The other one I have is also a craftman model number: 536-82550

Thanks

[Hawk]

This is from SEARS main factory ordering page:

http://www3.sears.com/

We're Sorry. Due to unavailability, the following parts can not be ordered.

61028 OWNERS MANUAL F/536.90514 53690514

Well found the sears part number for the Manual again. Hopefully this can help in finding a manual for this machine. This is for the Eagel 1 model 536-90514

Thanks

[Bruce]

Ebay, there are so many paper guys out there?

[JimmieD]

Both snowblowers were manufactured by Western Tool & Stamping Co., the old name for AMF Lawn & Garden, which is now AMF and/or Murray.

JimmieD

[MoparNorm]

I suppose a trip to the AMF or ONE of those named web sites will hopefully turn up a downloadable service manual!
MN

[Hawk]

Please be advised:
--Murray products older than 2003 model year are no longer supported. This includes any paper or electronic manuals.
--Murray parts older than 1996 are no longer supported. This includes any paper or electronic parts lists.
--Active Outdoor Products (such as go-karts, sleds, mini-bikes, etc.) are no longer supported.


This is what Murray site says.

and I made a Typo on the model name: its an Egar 1 not eagel 1

as for the AMF site I can not seem to track that one down.

[Gordon Maney]

Originally posted by Bruce
Ebay, there are so many paper guys out there?

What do you mean by paper guys? Manuals, or something more?

[Hawk]

Bruce Ebay, there are so many paper guys out there?

As for Ebay, I looked. Found two snow blowers like mine being sold but no manuals.

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Gordon Maney
What do you mean by paper guys? Manuals, or something more?

Hey Gordon,
Hawk knew what I was talking about I think? Sometimes it's called empheria??, not sure? But people will try & sell most anything?

[Hawk]

that is true. I have seen the oddest things show up on Ebay for sale. Even things like a book cover, used envelops, one page of a newspaper. That is just to name a few.

[JimmieD]

Just for clarity's sake: ephemera, as that which is short lived, implying something whose time has already gone by, i.e things of bygone days or collectibles.

Back to Murray/AMF: that was posted to let you know the history of the company and the relative age of the machines. Unless they are gearbox drive, instead of transaxle or variable speed drive [ala Tucker as mentioned], parts shouldn't be a big problem. That variable drive is currently used by all of the major manufacturers of snow throwers plus it's so simple it should be a snap to adapt a different drive wheel to the disc, as long as it's fairly close in diameter.

Most of the transaxles [if so equipped] are Peerless, made by Tecumseh Group, and there aren't that many models and those have been pretty much unchanged for years. The rest of the machine is usually a series of simple belts and pulleys plus lever engagements which can again be adapted from model to model. There's about 48 kazillion old Murrray snow machines out there with used ones going from a couple of hundred $ to "Get it outta here..."

By the way, the Tecumseh Snow King motor is the absolute best for snow blowers; quick starting and reliable for years and years and years.

JimmieD

[Hawk]

Well I found a break down of parts on one of the links, believes it was sears. But it does not give me the specs that I am looking for. This older unit has a disk off the back of the motor that a clutch wheel rides on. This is how it gets the drive both forward and revers.

I picked up an old craftsman chain drive to get me threw the winter. But I still would like to get my dinosaur running again. They dont have new ones that are this reliable with the old steal parts. Too many ultra lights now that break down if you bump something wrong.

[JimmieD]

Does this machine have a gearbox or a friction drive wheel system? And if a gearbox, is it heavy cast iron or a lightweight aluminum with tapered axle housings with reinforcement ridges on them?

[Hawk]

Its a friction drive. Large heavy flywheel off the out-put shaft with shift rod that places a clutch wheel to it for wheel movement (forward and reverse)

[Hawk]

Here is an image not the best but gives an idea of what its like